RedMonkey

I love this Judge. The punishment fits the crime. Perfect sentence for 2 idiots who are abusing paintball markers and giving players a bad name. Only thing that would have been better would be to make them use some kind of permanent paint and not allow them to clean it... hahaha!


Paintball gunmen to splatter their own car


12:50 p.m.

PAINESVILLE — Two Madison Township paintball shooters must clean up their act this afternoon - right after they blast their own cars with paint.

Joshua Breeding, 20, and Christopher Lyons, 19, were found guilty in Painesville Municipal Court this morning of peppering a man's car with paintballs in May.

Judge Michael Cicconetti sentenced each to 60 days in jail, but he said they could avoid any jail time by doing two things: Painting for 40 hours at a Habitat for Humanity home and going shooting their own vehicle with the paint guns and then cleaning it up to the satisfaction of a probation officer.

The two also were ordered to apologize to their victim and pay court costs.

Magik

LOL, retards.

Shoulda saved it for the field..... woulda been cheaper.

JDobbs

I love those kinds of judges! That's just awesome. However, it would have been better if they let the victim shoot their cars instead methinks (or join them in shooting it). :see:

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Chode

I think it is actually kind of silly. What benifit is it to have them shoot their own cars rather than for us to laugh at.

If the judge wanted to punish these kids and teach them a lesson that is outside of his scope as a judge. His job is to be sure that the 'debt is paid to society' type of thing. What the hell does society get out of this? How is the wrong individual compensated? How does the legal system functioning like this uphold justice and serve our society?

It would have been better if he would have given them community service, required them to clean up parks, work for $5 / hour to repay that guy for any damage etc.

Now all we have is more cars getting shot with paintball guns. Whooptie friggin do, what good does it do anybody, what benifit is gained, how is the wrong made right? Headline justice strikes again.

JDobbs

Silly, perhaps, but it caters to the human's innate desire for revenge/vengeance.

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RedMonkey

It is silly, but also embarrassing for the kids to have to shoot their own cars and clean it off to a probation officers approval.

I find no problem with judges who sentence people to punishements that fit the crimes. It's not headline justice at all, but rather an eye for an eye.

Idiot kids like that who victomize people will get see see what it feels like to be on the other side of it and have to deal with the consequences of having to clean paint out of every nook and crevace of their car.

Fets

Chode...you are an idiot sometimes. lol

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Chode

Being victimized and damaging themselves is something completely different. Being vicitimized is in a large part defined by being violated in some sort. Shooting your own car does not qualify. Cleaning off paintballs is a meaningless lesson. Perhaps it provides humility, but then again so does cleaning up parks, playgrounds, the showers at the county prision etc.

Haven't we moved far past this 'eye for an eye' retalitory justice model. Ghandi said that 'an eye for an eye will leave everybody blind'. I mean the 'right' that these kids violated was one of the basic rights, as defined by Adam Smith, as the right to property (and to not have it destroyed by others). He didn't have the specific right to not have his car shot by paintballs. So this eye for an eye is too literal at best. Instead of literal retribution it would have been better for these kids to restore property. Must suffering, misery and destruction be met with more suffering misery and distruction?

Equitable compensation, which civil law is based around, provides that any harm done be repaid in equal amount to the damage done. How is damaging their own property providing equity to the person whom they caused harm. Rather than filling in a hole, they just dug it deeper.

'They got what was coming to them' is a broken social model that lead to tribal affiliations and an endless circle of misdeeds and even violence. Gaza anyone? We really need to work harder to restore cooperative and rooted communities rather than fragment them with this you and us.

I guess we just need more 'good earth'.

As a response to Fetz, some more Ghandi: "first, they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

JDobbs

Ghandi was a wife beater.

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RedMonkey

Cody... please tell me you are not serious in that you are trying to relate this article to what's going on in the middle east. Are you completely nuts, or only on work days? The hippie craze is over, but if you feel like you can save the earth through preaching all that crap, go right ahead.

As for the kids being victims... that's something you inferred from my post. You might wanna call the optometrist and get a checkup, because you're reading stuff I didn't write. The judge's sentence to shoot their cars was to give them a lesson in empathy. If you don't know what that is, look it up.

Also, if you think shooting your own car and cleaning it off is a meaningless lesson, name the time and date, and I'll come over and video tape you doing it to your own car so we can post the expression on your face when you discover just how meaningless the mess and damage it creates really is. Hell, I'll even bring the marker, tank, and paint. Paintballs will break windows, dent sheet metal, and take out headlights. I've seen it in happen in person.

Finally, why are you defining cival law for a criminal case? You do know the difference, right? In criminal law, depending on the specific charges, a judge may or may not be able to sentence restitution to the victim for damages. Even then, in most courts, the damaged party must specifically petition it from the court prior to sentencing.

It's an imperfect world, filled with lots of stupid people... some of which happen to own paintball guns. These two will now know how NOT to use them... and that's perfectly fine by me.

Chode

I am relating it to the violence in the middle east. It is a similar mindset that somehow it is OK to seek vengence and revenge on others. We sit here and snicker about how much trouble it is to clean up paintballs, but when it comes down to it no good actually came out of the punishment. I think it was a missed opportunity to get something positive from these kids. I think the judge just wanted to get in the newspaper like the other judge who made the lady sleep in the woods.

Pardon my mispeak on criminal vs. civil law, but the same principals apply. I would love to see the sentencing guide lines that spell this punishment out. My point is that the ruling really doesn't do anything to promote a culture that values real justice and a society based on such. How is it within the law to do exactly the same thing that they are being punished for to 'repay their debt'?

I just think community service would have been a more appropriate and socially responsible thing to give these kids.

I am typically crazy the first half of the week, it usually passes by Wednesday. Not trying to preach but I do find the philosophies of Ghandi, and Jesus applicable to many aspects of our lives. As they say in Ohio "With God all things are possible." Finially I know all too well how restitution works, I am currently waiting for about $400 from some kids who broke every window in my BMW trying to steal my stereo. But perhaps I've accidentally been filingin' the poo too.

more on my views of capital punishment later....

Magik

I believe the sentence was Community Service PLUS spraying their cars w/ paint. Atleast that's how I understood it.

RedMonkey

That's right Magik...


They were ordered to spend 40 hours painting homes for Habitat for Humanity along with the painting of their own cars in order to get the jail time sentence suspended.