Fets

I understand what you are saying, but this kind of attitude is really bad for the sport. We need to be understanding of new players and the trepidations they have when they first play.

Most people were not in the military like you and me, heck, most of the players you are talking about aren't even old enough to enlist. But Milsim paintball is one way they can enjoy some of the cool things about the military without actually being there. Maybe playing Milsim paintball will make them want to enlist and serve their country!

But if we scare them away from paintball when they are 14 yrs old, maybe they will not have the experiences that will lead them to serve this great country in our awesome military.

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Jaysonmauer_xo

I learned with a pump, and I'll date myself here, but I learned with a Talon. When they were NEW. When I upgraded I went to a Trracer (not a misspelling). I went years before I bought a semi-auto marker, a Mokal Titan (if you have one, I will buy it). Since then I have had several others, but I keep going back to my Trracer to keep life interesting. Rare is the time that I use more than half a case at a 24 hour game, no matter what I am shooting.

Do I have a problem with this kind of restriction? No, not really. My primary marker is an Automag with a Q-Loader, but I just want to play, and I have several other markers to choose from. But, I don't want to be playing with or against angry dudes. Angry guys do stupid things. When players do stupid things, people get hurt.

15 bps seems like a very reasonable cap to me, but I don't want to scare off new players either. My first question was one that Fets asked, "What about the cyclone?" My obvious next question was, "What about my Q-Loader?" Is an RT really so fast as to scare off new players? I don't know. They never bothered me, but if this is what it takes to get new players to play at our private field, then so be it.

Fets

Jayson, that's funny. I started with a Talon and then bought a Traccer (bought a used rental from a field).

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Fets

I keep thinking about the cyclone/q-loader thing. I guess #1 they are mostly used by woodsballers and the concern is tourny players overshooting.

But #2, the A5 is pretty hard to walk the trigger on, even with a good setup. So getting the ROF from it in semi-auto only mode is not as easy as with an Angel. Although I know from experience you can set a JCS trigger up to bounce like crazy, it still doesn't achieve those ridiculous high ROF.

But you could put a Q-loader on an Angel and still deal some damage, I guess the thinking is no one would. That is just what I can think of, lol.

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8UP

what about boot camp? you doint think there a$$es arent going to get kicked in a little easier just because they had a good experience at paintball because of the wimps that went crying about too many paintballs. maby we need to raise the age to an age were someone can take a hit

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Jaysonmauer_xo

You must be old too...

I can see that. So a version of paintball, heavily promoted by paintball manufacturers and distributors, designed to bring paintball to the mainstream, has brought us to the point where we need "restrictor plates" in order to get new people to keep playing. Sort of sounds like that plan backfired.

RedMonkey

It didn't backfire at all. People were buying the new gear that could shoot faster than the old gear. The industry went through a nice period of growth because of it. As time went by however, it has become obvious that just because they can make something faster, it doesn't mean it is better for the competition aspects of the game. The fact that the pro leagues are capping rates of fire is evidence to that.

Fets' analogy to NASCAR is spot on. Without a restrictor plate at tracks like Daytona and Talladega, those cars would be traveling in excess of 230 miles per hour. The restrictor plates drops them down to about 190. Still fast enough to put on a good show, but not too fast to the point where it becomes unsafe.

With a lower ROF, paintball is still a blast. For those that have never tried it, I suggest you actually play a game with your friends with gravity hoppers, or hopper ball (one full hopper for the game, no full pods to refill). In my experience, it has been very satisfying gameplay. But, when the time calls for it, I still like to shoot the crap out of some people in other game formats. But, if I light up a newb, and that means he isn't going to play anymore... when you multiply that out over all the fields in the country, that's a lot of lost business for the industry.

If those people were instead eased into the sport, then they become viable consumers for paintball equipment manufacturers and dealers, and the industry remains strong. Again... this field's decision to make this change doesn't mean that electro hoppers or high rates of fire are not allowed at the field.... just not in rec games.

Now... if we could only get the manufacturers to stop suing each other for patent infringement so they can come out with some cool new stuff instead of rehashed or improved versions of stuff that already exists.... then we'd be making some HUGE progress.

Fets

What about boot camp? These aren't soldiers they are little kids.

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Fets

Starting to feel that way me thinks!

I totally understand what you are saying. Speedball/tournyball was supposed to be this sports savior. It was touted as getting us acceptance and bringing the masses. Now they are saying, do we really want new players experiencing tournyball style play/attitudes? It is causing them to go play Xbox.

Very interesting trend we are in right now. Also makes me wonder if players truly wanted higher ROF or if the industry just thought we did and found that the easiest way to develop new products. I mean, sure 10% of the players wanted a higher ROF but most of us have a paint budget that only allows us to shoot 12 bps if we are lucky, lol.

Even when I had my e-grip I never shot on a mode other than semi because I couldn't afford the paint. So I sold my e-grip and do just as well with a mech grip.

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8UP

i have played with my bros 98 custom with a gravity fed hopper this whole time i've been on the team. very rearly do i go through a hopper a game. i have loved it this whole time when we went to hell mich. do you know how many times i got hit before i got the chance to call myself out? and they wern't on auto. i think thay should have newbie days and put that rule in affect and when they finnaly grow a pair they can run with the big dogs. remember people buy certin markers to do certin things for their style of play. not for newbies to whine about it

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Jax

Do electically-fed hoppers REALLY make that much of a difference? I think this is all being blown out of proportion.

On the other hand, if you remove things like this, you take the MilSim feel out of the game. It's going to be pretty lame having MilSim without the Mil.

It's all part of the game and people are just going to accept it.

When new players see our decked out markers, they will just want to get the same. It can only help the sport.

Just my two cents.

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Jaysonmauer_xo

More of that "same page" stuff. I bought my Q-Loader for two reasons; it was low profile and with the positive feed, I chop no balls. The fact that it can feed 34ish bps had nothing to do with it. Hell, I have a Classic Mag, so I can go 12bps max anyway (until I trade the valve in).

I have had players refuse to play against the guys I was with at walk-on games. We hadn't formed a team, and were nowhere near as well equipped as we are now. We only talk about the last game in the staging area, no "exploits," no bragging, it's the last game or something unrelated to paintball. Other players have quit in the middle of games as well. I think they were intimidated by the equipment, we weren't beating them severely, we were winning, but it wasn't like we were abusing them.

I don't think they were being whiners either. These were first time players who wanted to have a good time, and they weren't having one, they were intimidated. And, that sucked the fun out of it, just like it would have for any of us. I felt welcome my first time, everybody went out of their way to help me in every way they could. Paintball needs more of that. I would like to be "that guy;" too often I find myself just leaving the new guys behind.

8UP

then the newbies need to be told about the decked out players before they even step on to the parking lot. they need to be told that they to if they have a pair will one day get a decked out gun. the newbies who cry cuz they cant take a little pain need to be told to bring some extra padding for different parts of their bodies. i really think its sad that this many people are sticking up for the babbies. just get them a little more preparied before they come. it doesn't take much alot of ballers who bring newbies just say hey come out with us on saturday and play a game with us and no one tells them jack

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Jax

I completely disagree with this.

Isn't the chrono factor the "restrictor plates" of paintball? The safety factor is how fast the paint is coming at you. NOT the rate of fire.

I am always disappointed when I get shot. I have been lit up. I don't piss and moan about it. It is part of the game.

The problems come in when people are shooting HOT, not R.O.F.

If people can't handle MilSim Paintball, they need to find another sport.

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8UP

my cousin kim who played with us that one time got shot and didn't complain about it but then she got shot with a hot marker and got pissed off bad. later we found out she was pregnant and that is what made her mad other than that we told her and her husban that some ballers cheat like that but dont cuit because of it.just have a good time. later she told us she had a good time she was just trying to protect something

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